[Senate Hearing 109-758] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] S. Hrg. 109-758 VERTICALLY INTEGRATED SPORTS PROGRAMMING: ARE CABLE COMPANIES EXCLUDING COMPETITION? ======================================================================= HEARING before the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED NINTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION __________ DECEMBER 7, 2006 __________ Serial No. J-109-124 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 32-153 WASHINGTON : 2007 _____________________________________________________________________________ For Sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; (202) 512�091800 Fax: (202) 512�092250 Mail: Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402�090001 COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania, Chairman ORRIN G. HATCH, Utah PATRICK J. LEAHY, Vermont CHARLES E. GRASSLEY, Iowa EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts JON KYL, Arizona JOSEPH R. BIDEN, Jr., Delaware MIKE DeWINE, Ohio HERBERT KOHL, Wisconsin JEFF SESSIONS, Alabama DIANNE FEINSTEIN, California LINDSEY O. GRAHAM, South Carolina RUSSELL D. FEINGOLD, Wisconsin JOHN CORNYN, Texas CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York SAM BROWNBACK, Kansas RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois TOM COBURN, Oklahoma Michael O'Neill, Chief Counsel and Staff Director Bruce A. Cohen, Democratic Chief Counsel and Staff Director C O N T E N T S ---------- STATEMENTS OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS Page Specter, Hon. Arlen, a U.S. Senator from the State of Pennsylvania................................................... 1 WITNESSES Baller, James, Senior Principal, The Baller Herbst Law Group, PC, Washington, D.C................................................ 8 Cohen, David L., Executive Vice President, Comcast Corporation, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania..................................... 4 Cooper, Mark, Director of Research, Consumer Federation of America, Washington, D.C....................................... 6 Goodman, John, President, Coalition for Competitive Access to Content, Washington, D.C....................................... 2 Salinger, Michael, Director, Bureau of Economics, Federal Trade Commission, Washington, D.C.................................... 9 SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD Baller, James, Senior Principal, The Baller Herbst Law Group, PC, Washington, D.C., prepared statement........................... 30 Cohen, David L., Executive Vice President, Comcast Corporation, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, prepared statement................. 34 Cooper, Mark, Director of Research, Consumer Federation of America, Washington, D.C., prepared statement.................. 56 Goodman, John, President, Coalition for Competitive Access to Content, Washington, D.C., prepared statement.................. 72 Salinger, Michael, Director, Bureau of Economics, Federal Trade Commission, Washington, D.C., prepared statement............... 76 VERTICALLY INTEGRATED SPORTS PROGRAMMING: ARE CABLE COMPANIES EXCLUDING COMPETITION? ---------- THURSDAY, DECEMBER 7, 2006 United States Senate, Committee on the Judiciary, Washington, DC. The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:03 a.m., in room SD-226, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Arlen Specter, Chairman of the Committee, presiding. Present: Senator Specter. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. ARLEN SPECTER, A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA Chairman Specter. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. The Judiciary Committee will now proceed with a hearing on the subject of whether consumers are being fairly treated by owners of sports franchises and cable and satellite companies with the overriding question as to whether activities now being undertaken violate the antitrust laws or whether the antitrust laws ought to be amended to provide fairness to the consumers. The backdrop is America's love affair, America's infatuation with sports, a national addiction to which I include myself, and we witness a rising cost of people watching pay television on cable television. We had a hearing earlier on the implications of the activities of the National Football League on their practices, and today we take up the question as to vertical integrated sports programming, whether the consumers are being unfairly treated. When we talk about integration, there are quite a number of situations where the cable companies own sports franchises-- Cablevision with the Knicks and the Rangers and Cox with the Padres and Time Warner with the Braves and Comcast with the Flyers and '76ers and Charter with the Seattle Seahawks and the Portland Trail Blazers. And the issue is whether the failure to provide programming to competitors is a violation of the antitrust laws, with the Seventh Circuit decision in MCI Communications v. AT&T holding that Section 2 of the Sherman Act is violated if the so-called four-part test is met under essential facilities. The Congress legislated in 1992 to prohibit vertically integrated companies, those that have ownership in programming, sports programming specifically our hearing today, from refusing to make their cable contact available to competitive multi-channel video programming. And the Congress applied this only to programming delivered via satellite. It is questionable whether it ought to be applied to programming delivered by cable, terrestrial transmission as well. The Commerce Committee considered a change in that law, and at least as of this time, Congress has not moved in that direction but perhaps we should. There are some strong arguments for moving in that direction. In July of this year, the FCC required Time Warner and Comcast to provide competitors with access to their sports programming as a condition to their acquisition of the assets of Adelphia. But the FCC did not impose this requirement on Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia, and one of our points of interest would be why the distinction there. We do not have anybody from Cablevision with us today, which I think is unfortunate. We gave Cablevision a lot of notice, and no reason was advanced why Cablevision could not cooperate with this Committee. And when we review the matter, seek any further explanation at our next hearing, people should know that the Committee does have the subpoena power. I do not want to lecture to the choir here, preach to the choir. All of you have come in on our invitation. But we do expect cooperation from companies who are programming and who are undertaking activities which affect consumers, affect the laws of the United States within the jurisdiction of the Judiciary Committee. We ought to have the cooperation from those folks coming forward. We have a very distinguished panel this morning, and our lead witness is Mr. John Goodman, who is President of the Coalition for Competitive Access to Content. He was Executive Director of the Broadband Service Providers Association. He had operating roles in Astound Broadband and also served with Motorola, holds an MBA from Northwestern University and a bachelor's degree from Bethel College in psychology. Thank you for joining us, Mr. Goodman, and we look forward to your testimony. STATEMENT OF JOHN GOODMAN, PRESIDENT, COALITION FOR COMPETITIVE ACCESS TO CONTENT, WASHINGTON, D.C. Mr. Goodman. Good morning. I want to express my appreciation to you and other members of the Judiciary Committee for the opportunity to participate today. I am pleased to represent the Coalition for Competitive Access to Content. It is a very diverse group of companies, including DBSs, BSPs, telco entrants, trade associations, and consumer groups that are all committed to expanded competition. These member organizations disagree on many public policy issues, but, nonetheless, they have come to the same conclusion regarding program access reform: assured access to content, particularly regional sports programming, is essential to the development of high-capacity networks that provide not only video but broadband competition. Congress has long recognized the direct linkage between access to programming and additional video competition. In 1992, Congress did promulgate the original program access rules that required that video content owned by cable operators be made available to new entrants on fair and nondiscriminatory terms. Access to content today is every bit as important as it was then. The FCC reviewed the application of certain program access rules in 2002 and concluded they were still essential, and they extended them for 5 years. More recently, Senators Kohl and DeWine have sponsored several valuable GAO studies that document both the need for more wireline competition and the relationship between access to content and the ability to compete. Regulators reviewing media mergers, as you referenced, also came to the same conclusion. Proceedings for DirecTV/ NewsCorp and for Comcast, Time Warner, and Adelphia transactions were both approved with program access conditions both related to sports and other programming. While we applaud the FCC's vigilance in this area, the CA2C believes that a statutory mechanism--not piecemeal adjudication--is necessary and justified to assure access to content. The current level of vertical integration continues to be significant and expanding. Incumbent cable operator ownership of professional sports franchises and sports programming has actually expanded since 1992. In addition, a substantial portion of current vertical integration is concentrated in programming that has the highest viewership and, therefore, value. The CA2C has attempted to document the current level of vertical integration. As we submit some summary profiles today, we ask the Committee to feel free to share this information with all parties involved so that this information can be validated, corrected, and expanded as may be appropriate. And I have these here if you want to see them. Unfortunately, Congress's program access provisions, written in 1992, have not kept pace with today's technology and market structure. Cable operators can control exclusive rights to programming delivered over their headends by fiber as opposed to satellite. This is called the ``terrestrial loophole.'' That is why a DBS subscriber in Philadelphia cannot receive Comcast's Sports Network with Flyers, Phillies, and '76ers games. It is why a DBS subscriber in San Diego cannot receive Cox's sports network for Padres games. The FCC has looked at this issue several times and concluded it has no authority to deal with terrestrially delivered content unless there are changes to the current law. Accordingly, the CA2C provided input for the ``Sports Freedom'' provisions in the telecommunications legislation introduced by Senators Stevens and Inouye. These provisions closed the terrestrial loophole and enhanced the framework related to sports programming by, among other things, applying binding arbitration proceedings to certain disputes. These provisions were similar to the conditions created in the DirecTV/NewsCorp merger. We supported new legislation because it will have equal applications to all MVPDs, and it will sustain the right market structures to promote competition. We should not rely on mergers, acquisitions, or other market events to address these industry-wide matters. Moreover, the FTC and the FCC should be directed and empowered to deal with anticompetitive issues. In short, we do not seek for Congress to establish an entirely new legal framework of economic regulation or price controls, nor should particular players in the market be singled out. Rather, a rational and measured updating and extension of the rules is in order. Opponents to program access legislation have publicly acknowledged that the existing rules have been effective within their current application. However, they now oppose program access rules. They claim these rules are not needed because current markets are fully competitive and that there are limited examples of abuse or denied access. But the market reality of key programming, especially local and regional sports, is that it is concentrated in the hands of a few cable operators, and that undermines this view. Even incumbent cable operators have asked for conditions guaranteeing access to content. The DirecTV/NewsCorp merger was the first time that an incumbent video provider faced a potential threat of some other network operator having control of essential content. Suddenly, they were asking for merger conditions that sounded a lot like the standards CA2C members have promoted to bring video competition to the market. I want to again thank you for this opportunity to be with you this morning, and I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of Mr. Goodman appears as a submission for the record.] Chairman Specter. Thank you very much, Mr. Goodman. We now turn to Mr. David Cohen, Executive Vice President of Comcast Corporation; had been a partner and Chairman of the firm of Ballard Spahr Andrews & Ingersoll, one of the largest law firms in the country; served with great distinction as chief of staff to Mayor Ed Rendell of Philadelphia; bachelor's degree from Swarthmore and University of Pennsylvania Law School graduate summa cum laude. Thank you for coming in today, Mr. Cohen, and the floor is yours. STATEMENT OF DAVID L. COHEN, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, COMCAST CORPORATION, PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA Mr. Cohen. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for the opportunity to testify today on vertical integration in sports programming. I would like to highlight three main points from my written testimony, which I understand will be made a part of the record: first, vertical integration is commonplace in commerce and can have real consumer benefits; second, there has been a dramatic decrease in vertical integration in cable; and, third, competitors to cable are getting access to all the programming they need, so there is no longer a need for special Government rules on program access. Let me briefly expand. When Congress passed the 1992 Cable Act, it was concerned that cable operators that owned programming networks would have the ability and incentive to withhold that programming from competing distributors, particularly the then-fledgling satellite operators. So Congress told the FCC to adopt special program access rules to ban exclusivity and ensure that all satellite-delivered, vertically integrated cable networks are made available to all competitors. Back then, many cable operators were vertically integrated. They had an attributable financial interest in almost 60 percent of the 68 or so national cable networks then in existence. But as our industry grew and as we built more and more channel capacity the market for programming has exploded. Today, of the more than 530 national cable networks, the FCC reports that cable operators have an interest in approximately 20 percent of them, although our data shows that number is closer to 12 percent. By any measure, though, vertical integration today is substantially less than what it was in 1992. I would also like to stress that Comcast is among the least vertically integrated companies in the entertainment industry. We have an interest in a total of only 22 networks. Half of those carry sports, and eight of those would be considered regional sports networks. On a typical cable system, we are affiliated with only about 7 percent of the full-time networks that we carry. In comparison, our biggest competitor today, DirecTV, is owned by NewsCorp, which has a financial interest in over 30 of the networks that it carries--26 of those are sports networks, including 21 regional sports networks. The number of affiliated networks that DirecTV carries is, therefore, almost twice as many as Comcast carries. In today's marketplace, as I explain in my written testimony, there is simply no justification for the FCC's current program access rules. Those rules were an unusual exception to a well-established principle of law and economics: that vertical integration can have very positive pro-consumer effects. Vertical integration allowed cable to create innovative programming when others would not. This led to valuable networks like CNN, the Discovery Channel, TV One, and C-SPAN, among others. Those investments helped to make cable the preferred choice of American viewers. Let me give you another specific example that I know is near and dear to the Chairman's heart and that is near and dear to my heart. Sports fans in our hometown of Philadelphia had to settle for 2 second-rate regional sports networks until Comcast acquired the Flyers and '76ers and bought out those two networks in the mid-1990's. We then created Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia, which is exempt from the program access rules because it is terrestrially delivered. Congress permitted this limited exclusivity for a reason--not to prevent competition but because it did not want to deter investment in high-quality local programming. In fact, Congress wanted to make sure that it would continue to encourage such investments. In specific reliance on this exemption, Comcast has since invested over $450 million to build up SportsNet to the network that it is today. And although we make Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia available to every one of our terrestrial competitors, including Verizon and RCN, we do not make it available to our DBS competitors. However, in the seven other markets where Comcast has subsequently created regional sports networks, we make them available to all of our terrestrial and satellite competitors. We think that some exclusivity of programming can be a good thing, because it permits competitors to distinguish themselves from one another. And I realize that the satellite providers are unhappy that they cannot provide SportsNet Philadelphia to their customers. But I will admit to you that we are a little unhappy that DirecTV has exclusive rights to the NFL Sunday Ticket and that we cannot provide this service to our cable customers. The simple fact is that exclusivity can't simultaneously be a good thing when our competitors have it but a bad thing when we have it. It is one or the other. So thank you for the opportunity to testify today. I want to conclude by saying that it is past time to repeal the program access rules, especially the ban on exclusivity that is set to expire next year. Congress can reasonably rely upon the antitrust laws to guard against any problems here, and I will be happy to expand upon that in the question-and-answer session. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Cohen appears as a submission for the record.] Chairman Specter. Thank you, Mr. Cohen. Our next witness is Dr. Mark Cooper, Director of Research for the Consumer Federation of America, also President of Citizens Research, and a fellow at the Stanford Center on Internet and Society; the author of four books; undergraduate degree from CCNY, master's from University of Maryland, and a Ph.D. in sociology from Yale. We appreciate your coming in today, Dr. Cooper, and look forward to your testimony. STATEMENT OF MARK COOPER, DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH, CONSUMER FEDERATION OF AMERICA, WASHINGTON, D.C. Mr. Cooper. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I appreciate the opportunity to appear today to testify on one of the key aspects of the continuing failure of competition to protect the consumer in the cable industry. This continuing market failure is evident in rising prices for monthly service, discrimination in carriage of programming by cable operators, refusal to offer critical marquee programming to competing delivery systems, and anticonsumer and anticompetitive bundling. Entry into the industry remains extremely difficult from both the content and distribution sides. Satellite has been unable to discipline cable market power, and it appears that the entry of telephone companies is equally ineffective. Monthly prices for basic and expanded service have just about doubled since the passage of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Just last week, the two largest theoretical competitors in the Northeast each upped their rates dramatically, by 4 to 5 times the rate of inflation. Intermodal competition and a cozy duopoly is not enough to discipline the abuse of market power in this sector. Every traditional measure of market structure--concentration ratios, the Lerner index, Tobin's q ratios--indicates the existence of market power in the cable industry. This market power stems primarily from a lack of competition at the point of sale. The market exhibits not only the classic barriers of entry, such as high capital costs, specialized inputs, and economies of scale, but cable operators have built barriers to entry with their regional concentration, vertical integration, and bundling strategies. The topic of this hearing, the withholding of vital geographically specific marquee programming from alternative distribution platforms, is one of the elements in a tightly woven web of business practices that have dampened competition in the sector. The incessant reduction in number of cable operators and their increasing size has led to the aggregation of cable systems into large regional clusters. Market power at the point of sale to the public and monopsony power at the point of purchase from programmers combine to undermine competition. Large MSOs have come to dominate specific regions of the country. They have moved into regionally specific sports programming that is itself a monopoly. They embed this programming in huge bundles, forcing consumers to pay for it all. They then deny access to this programming to competing distributors or make it available on anticompetitive and unfriendly terms and conditions. Their monopsony power is grounded in their market power at the point of sale, and the huge regional clusters and concentrated national market created over the past decade gives them the ability to secure control over this regionally specific programming. Since the programming is regional, it is rarely distributed through terrestrial means, subject to the so-called terrestrial loophole. Therefore, the programming can be withheld from competing distribution. As cable operators gain control of large contiguous geographic areas, they also are more able to obtain exclusive rights to programming they do not own. Restricting the flow of programming to alternative distribution platforms blunts competition at the point of sale. If the Congress intends to rely on market forces to discipline the market power of cable operators, it will have to break the stranglehold that the handful of vertically integrated, horizontally concentrated firms use to dominate the sector. Antitrust-type structural remedies that apply to the supply side and are very much in the tradition of antitrust and were not well crafted in the 1992 and 1996 Acts including the following: Congress should impose a strict horizontal limit on cable ownership to diminish cable's monopsony power in the programming market; Congress should ban the abuse of vertical leverage, both by closing the terrestrial loophole and adopting an effective policy to prevent discrimination in carriage; Congress should prohibit contractual anticompetitive tying arrangements by dominant media programmers that force distributors to carry all of a network's or all parent owner's cable channels just to receive the small number that the consumers want. We also think Congress should require cable operators to make available to consumers on an unbundled basis all programming that they choose to bundle. This will enable the demand side of the market to discipline the cost of programming and the size of their cable bill. I appreciate the opportunity to testify and look forward to any questions. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Cooper appears as a submission for the record.] Chairman Specter. Thank you very much, Dr. Cooper. Without objection, we will admit into the record the statement of Senator Herb Kohl, who is Ranking Member of the Antitrust Subcommittee. Our next witness is Mr. James Baller, Senior Principal of Baller Herbst Law Group, a firm specializing in telecommunications; led the successful challenge to Virginia's and Missouri's barriers to municipal entry into the telecommunications field; graduate of Dartmouth and Cornell Law School. We appreciate your being with us today, Mr. Baller, and the floor is yours. STATEMENT OF JAMES BALLER, SENIOR PRINCIPAL, THE BALLER HERBST LAW GROUP, PC, WASHINGTON, D.C. Mr. Baller. Thank you very much, Chairman Specter. I appreciate your invitation to testify, and I am honored to be here today. Since 1992, I have provided legal services to dozens of public and private providers of competitive communications services, and I have assisted several national and State associations that support such endeavors. Over the years, I have seen at first hand a wide range of practices through which established cable operators have sought to thwart competition from my clients and similarly situated new entrants. At a hearing in this room in February of 2004, we presented documentation of dozens of such practices. Many are still occurring, and they need to be curbed once and for all. I applaud you, Chairman Specter, for focusing on programming access issues at this hearing, and I hope that the Committee will focus on some of the other practices in the year ahead. In my testimony, I would like to focus on three points. First, I believe it is critically important not to treat programming access just as a cable entertainment issue, but to also see it as an infrastructure development issue that is essential to America's local, regional, and global competitiveness. As the Committee knows, America's international ranking in broadband deployment has fallen precipitously over the last decade, from first in the world in the mid-1990's to as low as 21st today in some studies. The U.S. is also falling increasingly behind the leading nations in access to high- capacity Next Generation Networks and in cost-per-unit of bandwidth, where we are now ranked sixth, according to the International Telecommunications Union. These are alarming trends because virtually everything that we do at home, at the office, and at play will increasingly be done over broadband platforms in the future. As a result, the nations that lead the way in developing Next Generation Networks will be the ones that are most successful in the emerging information-based global economy ahead. I have given the Committee a handout that documents this point in greater detail. A century ago, when electricity was the must-have technology of the day, the private sector alone could not electrify America quickly enough to meet demand, particularly in rural areas. Recognizing that electrification would significantly enhance economic development and quality of life, thousands of communities in underserved or unserved areas stepped forward to form their own electric utilities. Most that did thrived, while many that waited for the private sector to get around to them, in some cases up to 50 years, did not. Today the history of electrification is repeating itself in the communications area, and many communities across the United States are ready, willing, and able to do their part to help America develop high-bandwidth Next Generation Networks as rapidly as possible. In this, they want to stay abreast of the most progressive municipalities abroad, and in my second handout, I have presented information about what is happening in some of the other leading cities in the world. If we are to succeed as a Nation in developing Next Generation Networks, these networks must be economically viable. To do that, they must be able to provide all services that they are capable of providing, including video programming. And to deny access to key video programming has implications not just in the entertainment field but in the development of these systems. Second, my second point is that the FCC has over the years supported the safeguards in the 1992 Cable Act. I completely agree with Mr. Goodman's testimony that it is essential that these safeguards be preserved and extended. If Congress wants to retain a competitive environment in the cable communications field, it is essential that all entities have access to critical programming. I can cite many examples where that need still exists today and, in any event, it is important to prevent such things from happening in the future. We cannot allow established cable operators to create or remove access to programming at their discretion. My last point is that when we look at antitrust remedies, it is important to recognize that for small to medium-sized entities, antitrust remedies are illusory. The time, cost, burdens, and risks involved make antitrust remedies essentially worthless to small operators. What we need are clear, unambiguous, enforceable standards that supply and provide sufficiently onerous multiple damages, penalties, and attorneys' fees to deter noncompliance. Also, we need help from the major agencies to step in and provide service to provide protection that small providers cannot provide for themselves. Thank you very much, and I look forward to answering questions that you may have. [The prepared statement of Mr. Baller appears as a submission for the record.] Chairman Specter. Thank you, Mr. Baller. Our final witness on the panel is Mr. Michael Salinger, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Economics, currently on leave from Boston University's School of Management, where he is a professor of economics. He previously taught at MIT, Columbia, and served as an economist with the FTC's Antitrust Division; a magna cum laude graduate of Yale and a Ph.D. from MIT in economics. Thank you, Mr. Salinger, for your contribution here, and we look forward to your testimony. STATEMENT OF MICHAEL SALINGER, DIRECTOR, BUREAU OF ECONOMICS, FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION, WASHINGTON, D.C. Mr. Salinger. Mr. Chairman, my name is Michael Salinger. I am, as you said, Director of the Bureau of Economics at the Federal Trade Commission. I am pleased to appear before you to present the Commission's testimony on the FTC investigation earlier this year into the acquisition by Comcast and Time Warner Cable of Adelphia's cable assets and into related transactions in which Comcast and Time Warner Cable swapped various cable systems. After a thorough investigation, the Commission closed the matter without taking any action. The Commission's decision not to file an antitrust case was explained in a statement by Chairman Majoras and Commissioners Kovacic and Rosch and in a second statement, concurring in part and dissenting in part, by Commissioners Harbour and Leibowitz. I have submitted a written statement which represents the testimony of the Commission. My oral presentation and answers to questions represent my views and not necessarily the views of the Commission or any of the individual Commissioners. Neither the acquisition of the Adelphia assets by Time Warner Cable and Comcast nor the system swaps between Time Warner and Comcast represented the acquisition of a direct competitor. In other words, this was not the kind of transaction that gives rise to most of the merger challenges under the antitrust laws. Moreover, several aspects of the transaction were likely to be beneficial to competition and to increase economic efficiency. Cable systems within a metropolitan area can be complementary to each other, as consolidation can make it possible to achieve economies of scale in creating a second wireline communications network that competes with the network of the incumbent local exchange company. To be sure, the transaction did raise some competitive concerns, which the staff spent 7 months investigating. The most important of these was that a cable operator with a sufficiently large share of a metropolitan area might enter into an exclusive contract with a regional sports network, or RSN, that would make the RSN unavailable over competing media. Using economic analysis, the staff concluded that the transaction did not create an incentive to enter into such an exclusive agreement. Of course, economics is an inherently imprecise discipline, so one must consider the possibility that developments could run counter to the staff's prediction. If that were to happen, however--that is, if Comcast or Time Warner Cable do enter into exclusive agreements with RSNs--those agreements would themselves be subject to antitrust review. Exclusive agreements are not per se violations of the antitrust laws. Even if we knew with certainty that exclusives would be a likely result of the merger, the Commission would have to evaluate whether they are harmful to competition. Such a finding would require a showing of net harm to consumers, not just harm to competitors. That is a very hard determination to make without knowing the details of the agreement to be considered. In my opinion, the opportunity to revisit the issue if it does, in fact, arise was an important consideration in the Commission's decision. Thank you for your attention. I would be pleased to respond to any questions. [The prepared statement of Mr. Salinger appears as a submission for the record.] Chairman Specter. Thank you, Mr. Salinger. We have a vote, which was just started a few minutes ago, and I am going to recess the hearing for a short time to go vote and come back, and we will then begin the questions and answers. Thank you. We stand in recess. [Recess 10:35 a.m. to 11:05 a.m.] Chairman Specter. The hearing will resume. Mr. Baller, you say that the antitrust laws are worthless as remedies. Would you amplify your view on that a bit? Mr. Baller. Yes, I would be glad to, Chairman Specter. For a small company encountering anticompetitive activity, the cost involved--hiring expert testimony, engaging in time-consuming and expensive discovery, the burden involved, the-- Chairman Specter. You are talking now about private right of action and private litigation-- Mr. Baller. That is correct. Chairman Specter. Seeking treble damages or injunctive relief? Mr. Baller. That is correct. If-- Chairman Specter. But how about if Mr. Salinger and the FTC comes swooping in and provides these fancy economists with their extraordinary pedigrees and high- priced lawyers to bring justice to clients. Mr. Baller. We would love for that to occur. Chairman Specter. Then the antitrust laws would be effective, wouldn't they? Mr. Baller. Yes, they would. They would be more effective but not entirely effective because, as Mr. Salinger said, the demonstration-- Chairman Specter. Why not entirely effective? They get equitable relief. They get court orders prohibiting the inappropriate conduct. They bring you lots of money in treble damages. What more do you want? Mr. Baller. The showing of harm to competition as distinguished to competitors makes the antitrust showings very difficult and very complex and time-consuming, even if a major-- Chairman Specter. To prove the case. Mr. Baller. Correct. Chairman Specter. But the cases can be proved. Mr. Baller. But over what period of time? Assuming that a small competitor-- Chairman Specter. What would you suggest as a preferable remedy? Mr. Baller. Well, I suggest, No. 1, strengthening the antitrust laws. I am not suggesting that that alternative not occur. Chairman Specter. Move to No. 2. You have already told us all the reasons the antitrust laws are not sufficient. Mr. Baller. I believe that, in addition to strengthening the antitrust laws, we should also have specific standards that are easy to understand. For example, closing the terrestrial loophole is very easy to understand. That can be effectuated. We can remove exceptions that make it difficult to apply and make the criteria more absolute, clear, give the Federal Trade Commission, the Department of Justice, or the Federal Communications Commission clear mandate and a sense of the Congress that it seeks to protect the interests of small competitors as well as the very large competitors. Chairman Specter. Mr. Salinger, the 1992 legislation enacted by Congress dealt only with satellite transmission and not with cable, and the proposal was made earlier this year, taken up by the Commerce Committee, which would have primary jurisdiction on that issue, they did not pursue that, or at least not at the present time. What reason would there be for not including cable terrestrial transmission under the prohibitions of the 1992 Cable Act? Mr. Salinger. Senator, you are referring to a provision that relates primarily to FCC regulations, so in general, we would defer to our sister agency for their opinion on that. But the specific answer to your question I do not know. Chairman Specter. Well, the FTC has considerable expertise. You have blue-ribbon credentials: a Ph.D. in economics from MIT, magna cum laude from Yale. This is an antitrust issue. It involves a provision that Congress prohibited vertically integrated cable companies from refusing to make their contact available to competitors. And it applied only to satellite transmission and not to cable or terrestrial transmission. What is the rational basis for that distinction? Mr. Salinger. As a matter of economics, it is hard to understand why there is any rational basis for distinguishing between terrestrial distribution and satellite distribution. Chairman Specter. Well, would you recommend that Congress change it to include cable and terrestrial distribution? Mr. Salinger. Well, I think they should be treated consistently. As to whether the prohibition on exclusivity is appropriate raises more general antitrust issues, which are not so clear-cut. Chairman Specter. So you are raising a question about whether the prohibition really ought to be continued. But if you did continue the prohibition, you say there is no distinction as far as your economics training would say between satellite and terrestrial. Mr. Salinger. Yes, that is right. Chairman Specter. Mr. Cohen, I notice you having some body language in opposition. [Laughter.] Chairman Specter. You can expand on that. Mr. Cohen. I was even going to volunteer to comment on that, although I-- Chairman Specter. I was coming to you in any event. Mr. Cohen. I figured I was not going to escape here unscathed. Chairman Specter. Because you already said there is good reason for it, so tell us the reason. Mr. Cohen. First of all, I would say this: I want to second at least the implication of Mr. Salinger's comment that if we are going to look at this, I actually think the fresh look should be whether there should be any prohibition of satellite or terrestrial delivery. I believe that a rigorous economic analysis of the competitive situation today would lead to the conclusion that the prohibition on exclusive arrangements with respect to satellite-delivered programs should disappear, in which case you would have your uniform treatment between the two. I do not want to compare my economics credentials to Mr. Salinger's. I only majored in economics at Swarthmore College. Chairman Specter. Wait, I do not understand that. You were summa. He was only magna. [Laughter.] Mr. Cohen. He actually has a degree in economics. I do not. Chairman Specter. I thought ``summa'' covered everything. Mr. Cohen. Well, I will not say that. And, of course, he has Yale on his resume, and I am missing that on mine, as you have frequently observed in the past. Chairman Specter. Having frequented both Yale and Penn, you do not have to take second place in any respect. Mr. Cohen. Well, I appreciate that, and so will Andy Gutman. But there was a rational justification for the distinction between satellite-delivered programming and terrestrially delivered programming in 1992, and that is that terrestrially delivered programming was viewed by the Congress as being a more limited mode of distribution, a mode of distribution that would be primarily used for local programming. And there was a considerable legislative record on this distinction and a considerable record, by the way, supported by economists at the time that there would be a risk of anticompetitive, anticonsumer, I guess I should say, activity if you were to discourage investments in high-quality local programming. And it, therefore, is a very conscious decision to say we recognize that we are going to come in as the Government and interfere with the market here. And so, in interfering with the market, let's interfere with the market at the level where we have the greatest concern, which is the creation of national cable programming that needs to be available to this fledgling industry that we are trying to stimulate and we are trying to develop and we are trying to encourage the development of. But let's not get in the way of investments that cable companies might be prepared to make in locally delivered content, which would presumably be delivered over a terrestrial network. I would say that Congress's judgment here proved not to be terribly mistaken. This is not an exemption-- Chairman Specter. Congress's judgment was not terribly mistaken? Mr. Cohen. That is right. [Laughter.] Mr. Cohen. Well, I might quibble with the need to have had the-- Chairman Specter. Do you know that that is the nicest thing that has been said about Congress all week? [Laughter.] Chairman Specter. Go ahead. Mr. Cohen. In fact, if we were sitting here today and there were 67 terrestrially delivered networks that were being provided exclusively on cable, and all around the country satellite or wireline overbuilders were having difficulty gaining access to all of this content, then I think there would be a legitimate question about this. But the examples of where terrestrially delivered programming is not available to competitors are so few and so far between that it is hard for me to accept that a credible, independent economist could make the case that there is any significant impairment to competition that is taking place as a result of the terrestrial exemption today. Chairman Specter. Mr. Cooper, I will come to you in just a minute because I know you want to comment. But I want to follow up in a couple of regards with Mr. Cohen before moving on. Comcast has made available to Verizon Philadelphia SportsNet, correct? Mr. Cohen. That is correct. Chairman Specter. Why did you do that on a voluntary basis? Mr. Cohen. I think it is a question of looking at our business and looking at the business model, and we have consistently said in testimony before this Congress-- Chairman Specter. I commend you for doing it. I think it is very good because it helps the consumers. They do not have to make a choice based on Philadelphia SportsNet. But there is a competitive disadvantage to you to give that to Verizon, a competitor. Mr. Cohen. That is correct. Chairman Specter. And that obviously prompts the question as to why you did it. Mr. Cohen. We made an assessment based on the overall balance of the expected size and scope of that competitor for reasons that we can discuss in another hearing. We do not believe Verizon is, for example, going to be providing service in the city of Philadelphia anytime in the near future because their business model is not to roll out their service in the city. Chairman Specter. Do you think there are really not going to be real competitors to Comcast? Mr. Cohen. No, they are going to be a competitor in the Philadelphia suburbs and in South Jersey and in wealthier communities surrounding the city of Philadelphia, but not in the city of Philadelphia per se. But, more importantly, we-- Chairman Specter. But Comcast relies upon the areas beyond the city of Philadelphia very heavily. Mr. Cohen. That is correct. We have a number of ways in which we competitively differentiate ourselves from our competitors. Comcast SportsNet in Philadelphia is one of those methods. It is not the exclusive method. The bottom line here is that we have consistently represented in Congress and in front of the FCC that it is not our intention to abuse the terrestrial exemption--by the way, it is an exemption, not a loophole, that we would make the content available to wireline, facilities-based competitors, and that we do so in all of our markets. And giving access to Comcast SportsNet to Verizon was consistent with that position that we have taken. What we say is that we have not made it available to our satellite competitors because they aggressively distinguish themselves competitively from us with their exclusive content. And what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If exclusive content on DirecTV, and in particular, the NFL Sunday Ticket, which is the single most valuable piece of exclusive sports content in the United States of America today--and if that is permissible, if that is acceptable, if that is not a problem for the United States Congress, for the Federal Communications Commission, with all due respect for everyone on this panel, then it should also be acceptable that in one market in this country we have the right to competitively differentiate ourselves with a network that we invested over $450 million in building in reliance on an exemption created by this Congress. And I would ask: What is the investment that DirecTV has made in sports programming around the country? What is the investment that DirecTV or EchoStar has made in any kind of programming around this country? What is the investment that they have made in jobs in Philadelphia? What is the investment that they have made in the community in Philadelphia? The investments that Comcast has made in programming, in jobs, in community development, are the pro-competitive, pro-consumer benefits that you get from the terrestrial exemption and from the structure of the program access rules under the status quo. Chairman Specter. Do you feel strongly about that? [Laughter.] Mr. Cohen. I feel passionately about it. Chairman Specter. That is a big subject, and I intend to come back to it because that involves the first hearing we had on NFL, and I want to move through the subject of integration and cable, but that is very much on the agenda for today. But it comes in Phase 2. As to Comcast making your sports programming available to other cable companies, do you do that? Mr. Cohen. We do. Chairman Specter. No exceptions? Mr. Cohen. There are no exceptions other than Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia and there are no exceptions for wireline, facilities-based competitors anywhere in the country. There are no exceptions for satellite anywhere else in the country other than Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia. Chairman Specter. Okay. Dr. Cooper, you had a comment? Mr. Cooper. Well, with respect to the terrestrial loophole and what Congress did in 1991, let us be clear that in 1992 regional clusters were a very small part of this industry. They have increased many times over since then. Second of all, the capacity to distribute content through high broadband networks has increased dramatically, so what you now have today on a regional basis is exactly the condition that was perceived to be the problem for the Nation in terms of satellite-delivered programming. So that these clusters have grown to such an extent--we have gone from maybe 20 percent to well over 50 percent, 60 percent of systems being clustered, and those are clustered in major metropolitan areas--each of which, by the way, has a monopoly sports franchise in each of the major leagues. So the problem that is identified here, in fact, has grown to be a regional problem, and so if Congress were to revisit this issue today, they might well look at that situation and conclude that it is exactly the difficulty of distributing content in an integrated network that they addressed with satellite for the Nation, they now need to address with terrestrial distribution for these massive regional clusters that have grown in the past 15 years. Chairman Specter. Mr. Goodman, at your request we will put into the record, without objection, the documents which you have presented captioned, ``Coalition for Competitive Access to Content: Vertical Integration relevant to Program Access Legislation Draft 1990-1994-2006 Comparison.'' That will be made part of the record. Mr. Goodman, the Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in MCI Communications v. AT&T dealt with the doctrine of essential facilities and developed a four-part test to determine whether there would be a violation of Section 2 of the antitrust laws. And it would require first the control of the essential facility by the monopolist; second, the competitor's inability practically or reasonably to duplicate the essential facility; third, the denial of the use of the facility to a competitor; and, fourth, the feasibility of providing the facility. Is that essential facilities--and the Supreme Court of the United States in Turner Broadcasting v. FCC implicitly endorsed the application of that standard, and in a concurrence, Justice Stevens makes a specific reference to it. The question with that introduction so that there is an understanding of what it is: Does the vertical integration sports programming arguably run afoul of that doctrine? Mr. Goodman. That is not a question I am prepared to answer in the context of that. I am not an attorney per se. The vertical integration in sports is clearly a condition that can be used as leverage to deny access, and sports programming has been declared by most of the consumers that are trying to make a decision about when to buy a service that it can be essential. Chairman Specter. Mr. Baller, what is your legal judgment on that? Is the integration we are talking about here today, the vertically integrated sports programming arguably a violation of the essential facilities doctrine? Mr. Baller. I would argue it is arguably a violation, but the essential facilities doctrine is not recognized by all circuits, and as you say, the Supreme Court has not explicitly adopted it as well. Chairman Specter. So you do not think that this integration runs afoul of that doctrine? Mr. Baller. I would personally say I believe it is, but that does not mean that the courts necessarily have recognized the doctrine at all. Chairman Specter. Well, okay. But you are a lawyer in this field. You are a specialist in antitrust laws. Mr. Baller. I have had experience, but I would not call myself an expert in antitrust law. Chairman Specter. What is your view of it, Dr. Cooper? Mr. Cooper. If you look at the four tests, it clearly qualifies in the sense that they control it, they have an exclusive, it is irreplaceable. There is, you know, only one baseball team in Philadelphia. And we looked--actually in my testimony, I look around and you will discover that if you look across all the major leagues, certainly in the top 25 markets in which Comcast and Time Warner are now highly concentrated and clustered, there are very few exceptions where you have more than one team in each of those sports. So it does have those characteristics that you mentioned: they control it on an exclusive basis, it is irreplaceable, there is only one team there, and if they deny the access to it, then, in fact, it meets those four tests. Chairman Specter. Mr. Salinger, what is your view? I am coming to you, Mr. Cohen. I know you have a view on this. Mr. Salinger. I am no doubt going to get in trouble with the lawyers at the Commission for opining on the essential facilities doctrine, but-- Chairman Specter. Well, there is one lawyer here you will not get in trouble with. Mr. Salinger. Thank you, Senator. I do not think it applies to all sports programming. It might apply to some sports programming. Chairman Specter. What is your view--Mr. Cohen, you have given a pretty good exculpatory statement already in addressing this because you are making it available to your competitors, except for DirecTV, for which you have a very strong economic reason, strong factual basis. And I am sorry that we do not have a broader panel to take a look at the other integrated operations, the Padres, et cetera, the Braves. But would this doctrine apply anywhere on the integrated line? Mr. Cohen. I have two comments. First of all, let's remember that under the essential facilities doctrine, you ultimately have to have an umbrella of competitive harm--harm to competition. It is not a per se violation. And I think that for anyone to--I think you have to look, and I was nodding when Mr. Salinger was talking--I think it depends on the sport and the market to be able to answer your question in an appropriate way because of the required and appropriate analysis of the impact on competition. No. 2, I think sports is a very interesting case, and this will get me in a little bit of trouble in Philadelphia, but not anywhere else, which is that the true integration here is not the integration between the control of the network and the distribution mechanism. The true integration here would be an integration that runs from the control of the rights to the network and the distribution mechanism. So Dr. Cooper, for example, makes reference to one baseball team being in Philadelphia. We do not own the baseball team in Philadelphia. We do not own the baseball rights in Philadelphia. And the Philadelphia Phillies, who are completely separately owned, have their own rights and their own ability to make their own programming deal. And, in fact, to require, as teams like the Chicago Cubs in the Chicago sports market--in making the deal require that that distribution be made available to all competitors, all multi-channel video competitors in the marketplace. So in the absence of what I would call full integration from ownership of the rights down to the distribution mechanism, I actually think that you probably do not qualify under the Seventh Circuit's test as an essential facility. Chairman Specter. Your response, then, suggests that before you can make an evaluation of, say, Cablevision with the Knicks and the Rangers or Cox with the Padres, Time Warner with the Braves, and Charter with the Seattle Seahawks and the Portland Trail Blazers, you would have to have a market analysis, but the essential facilities doctrine might apply in those areas? Mr. Cohen. I think it could apply, depending on the market, but it is interesting. You have ticked off a bunch of markets with a bunch of different characteristics. Take the New York market and Cablevision and its control of the MSG regional sports network. MSG used to have rights to televise the Knicks, the Mets, the Yankees, the Devils and the Rangers--had the rights to control all of those teams. It goes to my point that to have full vertical integration, you actually have to own the teams, too, because what is happening in the New York market is that the owners of the Yankees, the Mets, the Devils, and the Rangers have all taken their sports rights elsewhere. They no longer have carriage agreements with MSG. Each of them--the Yankees, Mets, and Devils have a deal with YES, which is a non- vertically integrated regional sports network, and the Mets created their own regional sports network, which is partially owned by Time Warner, Comcast, et cetera. So that would be a vertically integrated regional sports network. So Cablevision, which used to own the rights for all of these teams, or used to control the rights for all of these teams through contract, has now lost the rights for all the teams other than the Knicks and the Rangers, who remain on MSG. So it is a perfect example of the fact that the controller of the rights ultimately has the ability to dictate the distribution. Chairman Specter. Dr. Cooper, in your written statement, you indicate that during the dispute between Cablevision and the Yankees Entertainment Sports, known as YES Network, which owns the television rights to the Yankees, Cablevision demanded an equity stake in the Yankees Network. Could you elaborate upon what happened there? Mr. Cooper. Well, it is interesting that he raises the point of YES because, in fact, that was a fairly ugly-- Chairman Specter. I am not raising the point of YES. You raised the point of YES. Mr. Cooper. I mean Mr. Cohen did. As I understand it- -and that is just a recounting of the allegations in the lawsuit that was filed, and ultimately it went to arbitration. It was a lawsuit over carriage on a cable operator who has substantial market power in that market. And so as I understand it, I am not entirely--you know, those were the allegations that that had been demanded as part of the negotiation for carriage. And in the end, I believe YES was substantially vindicated in its court case and got carriage under terms that were favorable to it. The suggestion here is that maybe the Congress needs to look at the exclusivity of the rights, which is something we would encourage. In either event, Comcast would lose its power to pick and choose which competitors through its distribution network would have access to the programming it controls. He has argued that, well, I do not own the team and, therefore, I have made a deal with the team to carry its programming; they did not require me to do it on a non- exclusive basis; therefore, I cannot impose exclusivity. And then he will pick and choose which competitors have access to this vital marquee programming. If you want to solve the problem by banning exclusive rights in sports programming, that would do the job, too, because then he could not make that anticompetitive choice. He would be required by law to make that programming available to the competing systems. Chairman Specter. Well, would it be desirable as a matter of public policy to prohibit exclusivity of rights? Mr. Cooper. Where you have an underlying monopoly, it may well be, absolutely. Chairman Specter. What do you think, Mr. Cohen? Mr. Cohen. I think that is the right question, and not whether the terrestrial exemption should be continued or eliminated. Chairman Specter. Well, I am glad we got to the right question. Mr. Cohen. I think we have to be careful in answering the question because there are clearly pro-competitive benefits to exclusive arrangements. They do enable competitors to differentiate themselves from each other. And I think that is the balance of giving up the pro-competitive benefits of competitor differentiation in the market as opposed to the clear consumer benefits from an open access to what I think--if there is anything that is an essential facility, by the way, I would think that it would be the rights themselves, not the carriage of those rights. And to open those rights up to all competitors, I think, has a procompetitive benefit. And it is the balance between those two elements that makes the policy judgment difficult. Chairman Specter. Mr. Cooper, coming back to your written testimony, where you raise the issue of Cablevision demanding an equity stake in the Yankees Network, can you amplify the circumstances? What are the underlying factors of the relationship and market power and distribution, et cetera, which would enable a cable transmitter to make that kind of a demand? Mr. Cooper. Well, the general proposition I can address. It was the details of what was asked, and you ought to get the people from YES. But it is the experience in the video industry that distributors, both on the cable side, which is why we had the 1992 Act, and on the broadcast side, distributors control a vital vertical lever here. And one of the things that distinguishes this particular industry, and the telecommunications industry as well, is that that lever is a live-or-die situation for a local team to reach its local market. Where you have a substantial market penetration of that distribution mechanism, denial of access to the public gives you tremendous market power over the team. If the Yankees cannot get to the households that subscribe to cable, they have a severe problem. So the market power inherent in that bottleneck facility is extremely strong, and it gives the owner of that facility--and it has occurred in programming both broadcast and cable, to demand unacceptable terms and conditions. Chairman Specter. Okay. If Cablevision had the power to make that demand on a realistic or reasonable basis, then you are saying that the Yankees had no place else to go to have their team shown? Mr. Cooper. Well, that was one of the four tests. Cable is the dominant medium for distributing video content in America today. Chairman Specter. Well, factually, did the Yankees have nowhere else to go but Cablevision? Mr. Cooper. In some of the market segments, they had that problem. You know, the cable companies are franchises. At the time there was no overbuilder. You have heard the proposition here that one of the economic bases on which Comcast gave Verizon the right to distribute their programming in certain suburbs was the assumption that there would not be a competitor in Philadelphia. That was the statement you heard today. It is a wonderful statement. I am going to quote it and get the record frequently, right? Because that has been our complaint. So that was a business judgment, is that they gave them the rights because they do not expect them to be a competing multi- channel video delivery system in Philadelphia. Chairman Specter. But Verizon could be a competitor in Philadelphia if it chose to do so. Mr. Cohen. Absolutely. Chairman Specter. Do you want to adopt Mr. Cohen's answer, Dr. Cooper? Mr. Cooper. Frankly, we have been making this point. Actually, in the other Committee that deals with this, we call it redlining, you see? So, in fact, it is an interesting observation. Our complaint--and, of course, Comcast was required to build out throughout its service territory as an obligation of its franchise. And Verizon has been trying to get out of that. I was the expert witness in Montgomery County where they recently agreed to very favorable terms from my point-- Chairman Specter. You referred to a lawsuit. Would you amplify that? Mr. Cooper. The lawsuit in-- Chairman Specter. You just said you were going to utilize what-- Mr. Cooper. Verizon sued Montgomery County claiming that its cable ordinance violated the First Amendment, and the judge ordered them-- Chairman Specter. Well, how are you going to use Mr. Cohen's statement in your lawsuit? Mr. Cooper. One of the conditions that was being argued over was the build-out provision. Who are they going to serve? And the local franchising authority--and Mr. Cohen has been subject to this in his franchise agreements. The local franchising authority requires the complete build- out across the entire area of that franchise as part of his agreement. Verizon is taking the position that they do not want to have to serve everybody in the local franchising area. In the settlement, we got almost 100 percent of that build-out requirement, which is very important in the Commerce Committee. Chairman Specter. I am advised that more than 3 million subscribers had Cablevision as their only choice for cable service, and in those areas, Cablevision had a 90- percent market share. I am sorry that Cablevision did not send a witness here. They were given a lot of notice, and they had no understandable explanation as to why they did not, and we may have to continue this hearing with a subpoena for Cablevision so that we can find out what is going on here. But the ramifications and tentacles of the market share and the dominance so that Cablevision, the cable company, can make a demand for an equity share in the Yankees to get a preferred position as an ownership interest is surprising, to say the least. Mr. Cohen, you have your hand up. Mr. Cohen. If I can, Mr. Chairman, I do not want to attempt to speak for Cablevision, but I know a little bit about the subject in general, so it might be a little helpful to make some comments. Chairman Specter. Please do. Mr. Cohen. First of all, I do not believe that even the allegation was that Cablevision was making a demand for equity in the Yankees. I think what may have been under discussion was whether Cablevision should get an equity interest in the network itself on the theory that it was Cablevision's distribution that was going to be bringing the value to the network--not the team itself, but to the network. I would note that recent press reports suggest that the owners of Yankees Entertainment Sports, which are the Yankees, the Nets, and principally Goldman Sachs and private equity investors, are thinking about putting the network on the market, and the asking price is on the order of $3 billion. That is billion with a B. That would make the network worth approximately three times what the Yankees are worth as a franchise. And with all due respect, the value of that network, although it comes in part from the value of the Yankees as a franchise and the Yankees as something that people want to watch, it also comes from the distribution that was required to the YES Network from Cablevision, from Time Warner, from Comcast, from DirecTV--and I forget whether EchoStar distributes the YES Network or not. So there is some justification from the distribution side of saying that it is the distribution that is giving value to these networks in addition to the franchises themselves. Number two--and this is particularly important--if you look at the whole YES Network area, when you have a statistic like Cablevision had 3 million customers, I think Yankees Entertainment Sports is in a metropolitan area with something like 8 or 9 million customers. You have Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner all in that territory. So when you look at 3 million customers, you are looking at a sub-segment of the YES Network's market, not the entire market. With all due respect to that statistic, in virtually every place where Cablevision was providing service, there were at least two other competitors that were available for carriage of the YES Network--DirecTV and YES. And I know that DirecTV--I do not know about-- Chairman Specter. Carrying the YES Network, too? Mr. Cohen. They were. Chairman Specter. DirecTV and who? Mr. Cohen. Well, EchoStar, the Dish network. I don't know whether Dish was carrying YES. I know DirecTV was. Chairman Specter. The consumers are going to have to go to-- Mr. Cohen. They would go to a satellite. Chairman Specter. To a satellite. Mr. Cohen. Correct. Chairman Specter. They would have to buy a whole new system. Mr. Cohen. Well, they did not have to buy a whole new system because the YES Network and DirecTV ran a massive and major promotion during the course of this dispute where they offered a free dish and free multi-television set-top boxes for any Cablevision customer who would switch to DirecTV; in addition, offering discounted service for an entire year for that switch. And-- Chairman Specter. Do you ever have any concerns about the free offers and the discounted service for a time as to how it is going to be made up later? Is there such a thing as-- Mr. Cohen. I think it-- Chairman Specter. Wait a minute. Is there such a thing as a free lunch here? Mr. Cohen. There probably-- Chairman Specter. Don't they have a plan to collect later? Mr. Cohen. In the long run, that would definitely be the case, but in DirecTV's case, in cable's case, there is something called subscriber--it is called SAC charges. They are the charges, the marketing costs you expend to get new subscribers. All I can tell you is that YES publicly said that they had switched somewhere between 25,000 and 30,000 Cablevision customers to become DirecTV customers, and that YES has said that the ultimate resolution of this dispute, which by the way, was not through the litigation because there was never a decision in this litigation, was because of the pressure that was put on Cablevision through the market, that is, customers leaving and threatening to leave the DirecTV if Cablevision did not pick up the YES Network. So I believe that the bottom line here is the market worked in the YES situation. That is why YES now has ubiquitous distribution. That is why YES is now worth $3 billion. Chairman Specter. Ubiquitous distribution? Mr. Cohen. That is correct. Chairman Specter. What is ubiquitous distribution? Mr. Cohen. They are available on Cablevision, Time Warner, Comcast, and at least DirecTV. They also have a deal with Verizon, and, by the way, Verizon is an active competitor of Cablevision's, and Cablevision's territory as well. So you have now got at least five and maybe six multi-channel video distributors that are carrying the YES Network. Chairman Specter. Well, wait a minute. The question in my mind is: Where does all this leave the consumer? Where does this leave the consumer now? And where does this leave the consumer down the road? These are only partial steps in what is being undertaken. We are going to come to that in just a minute going to the NFL issue. But I am trying to understand what is happening here. A chart has been provided which shows at the top George Steinbrenner, principal owner, and minority partners, and that leads down into the Yankee Global Enterprises. And that branches off into two lines. One is the New York Yankees, and the other is the YES Network. Now, it has been public knowledge for a long time that the YES Network was more valuable than the New York Yankees, and you say, Mr. Cohen, that they are going to rearrange with the conglomerate, it is going to be worth $3 billion, which is three times the value of the Yankees. This is an extraordinarily complex structuring which I am concerned places the consumer at considerable risk. You had a comment, Dr. Cooper. Then I want to move on. Mr. Cooper. Of the six entities that Mr. Cohen mentioned, at least three of them do not compete with each other because the cable operators have chosen never to overbuild and compete. And so you are left with the satellite, which involves significant switching costs, short-term promotion, as he pointed out, as part of this commercial dispute. And, of course, those are the competitors who he denies his programming to. And he knows that the other major cable operators are not going to overbuild him. So that list of places, what YES did was they secured distribution throughout the region because that region is splintered between a number of cable systems. Many of Comcast's regions are not. They are the dominant provider throughout the region, and, again, he has chosen not to allow that key marquee programming to be available to the one entity that actually could compete throughout the service territory. Chairman Specter. Mr. Cohen, you testified earlier with considerable fervor about the Sunday Ticket. Do you believe that that arrangement between the NFL and DirecTV is a violation of the antitrust laws? Mr. Cohen. Building on Mr. Salinger's comment about the need to look at particular sports programming in particular markets, I think if there is any sports programming about which you could make a case that it is an essential facility, it would be NFL programming. And so I am not prepared to say that I think the NFL Sunday Ticket is an antitrust violation. You are aware of the Shaw litigation in the Third Circuit, which, again, the litigation never reached the ultimate question whether the NFL Sunday Ticket was an antitrust violation, the Third Circuit only finding that the Sunday Ticket was not entitled to the antitrust immunity that was provided under the Sports Broadcasting Act. I would note, though, that before that case went to trial, it was settled. So there was at least some risk perceived by the NFL and presumably DirecTV that the Sunday Ticket could be found to be an antitrust violation. Chairman Specter. Well, I know that it has not been resolved, but I was asking one astute lawyer's opinion as to whether he thought it was an antitrust violation. But I will accept your answer. The activities of the NFL are very extensive and definitely ongoing in what they are undertaking to do. And a big question is posed by what they have done as to whether it is a violation of the antitrust laws and what is coming next. We now have the NFL Channel, and we have this year, last month, the expansion to the Thursday-Saturday Ticket, and we can expect more. We have had the change from Monday Night Football from ABC- TV to ESPN, which is an interesting transaction, raises a lot of questions, especially since ESPN is owned by ABC- TV. And on inquiry, we find that ESPN can pay the NFL more money because ESPN has two revenue streams: one, the advertising, which is somewhat less--how much less I do not know, but I am advised not appreciably less--than over-the- air transmission by ABC; but ESPN also has the revenue stream from subscriptions from the subscribers. I am advised that it is $500 million more a year, and what it appears to be is that the NFL makes an evaluation as to how much they can extract, how much can they extract from ESPN, a subsidiary of ABC, to carry the Monday night games on ESPN. And ABC-TV on Monday night games, an enormous demand. You would think if anybody could survive and afford the programming, ABC-TV could. But they could not when the NFL decided to raise the prices. Now, the NFL enjoys all of this maneuvering room because they have the antitrust exemption. The teams are not guilty of conspiracy and restraint of trade because they got the antitrust exemption. But if they did not have the antitrust exemption, then the San Diego Chargers could negotiate, and if you could not get them, you could get the Seattle Seahawks, or you might get some other team. But the variety of distribution chains are not free to negotiate because the NFL has it all. What good reason, Mr. Salinger, is there for leaving that antitrust exemption in place? Mr. Salinger. Senator, as a general principle, I think that special antitrust laws for particular industries are a mistake, that we should use the same antitrust principles across different industries. As to whether it should be illegal for the NFL to negotiate television rights, as a single entity-- Chairman Specter. Well, wouldn't the consumer be better off if the sports teams were negotiating on their own so that there would be competition as to what football team would be shown on what network and what channel as opposed to having all the bargaining rights in the NFL, which they can have because they have an exemption under the antitrust laws? There is no doubt that it is collusion if it is an agreement of two or more parties, which has the impact of restraining trade. What is the justification for that in this day and age with what the NFL is doing? Mr. Salinger. Well, it is two or more parties that are engaged in a joint venture, and so that complicates the analysis substantially. Chairman Specter. Well, it is a joint venture. Mr. Salinger. I don't know whether legally the NFL is a joint venture, but the product that they are providing requires the existence of the league. One team cannot provide that product. Chairman Specter. Well, they cannot provide the entire product, but one team can provide rights to televise their games. Mr. Salinger. That is correct. But the league needs to make joint decisions and joint investments, and that-- Chairman Specter. I know, and that stops individual cable companies or individual distributors from negotiating with teams. Mr. Goodman, any reason to keep that antitrust exemption in place? Mr. Goodman. I am going to defer to the lawyers. Chairman Specter. Why are you doing that? You represent the consumers. I am not going to put you on the next panel, Mr. Goodman. You represent the consumers. Mr. Goodman. The NFL and the process of those negotiations gets to prices that a lot of consumers do not want to bear, and I think that is more the consumer issue than the antitrust issue. You have in the current carriage deals today a structure-- Chairman Specter. Is your microphone on? Mr. Goodman. I am sorry. You have in the current structure today bundling and carriage deals that cause professional sports, NFL, et cetera, to be packaged in with what is called the Expanded Basic. In that Expanded Basic, you have someplace between 40 to 60 percent of the customers paying for that that do not want that particular content, they do not particularly want to pay for it. You have-- Chairman Specter. That is the whole basis of the controversy that Comcast is having now with the NFL. Mr. Goodman. Correct. Chairman Specter. NFL wants it on the basic line. Comcast wants to put it on the sports line for the people who want it who can see it. Mr. Goodman. Correct. Chairman Specter. And this is the NFL exerting its power right down to the last nub, right down to the last nickel. Go ahead. Mr. Goodman. Correct. I mean, it is interesting that they are taking that position on that particular set of content when they are involved in all sorts of other bundling arrangements. One of the things I would encourage everybody to look at long term is what happens to these kinds of contracts and structures as we move to digital carriage. When we move to digital carriage, then a lot of the technical and business issues that have led to the bundling and packaging that we have got today are not going to be as relevant. And hopefully we will get to a different structure. Chairman Specter. Dr. Cooper, I noticed you would like recognition. On what issue? Mr. Cooper. On this issue. Chairman Specter. Good. Proceed. Mr. Cooper. I mean, two of my four recommendations address this fundamental problem. Disney maximizes the extraction of rent because of two practices we think are anticompetitive and anticonsumer in this case--that is, ABC ties its programming together in big bundles, demanding carriage for a set of programs, not negotiating individually for each, and then the cable operators bundle those together and do not give the consumer the choice. If you break those two links, the study we saw is that 75 percent of the people would not pay the $2 a month or plus that ESPN gets to be put into the Expanded Basic bundle. That is why we believe breaking these ties would, in fact, begin to exert consumer demand genuinely at the point of sale. Chairman Specter. Breaking what ties? Mr. Cooper. The ability of ABC to insist that their bundle of programs be carried using the leverage of their must-carry and retransmission rights. Remember, Congress gave them rights to carriage. And, two, that cable operators be required to offer consumers a choice to buy the individual programs that they also offer in the bundle. Imagine if consumers could choose not to pay for ESPN, just as Comcast is saying maybe they should be allowed to choose not to pay for MASN, right? The consumer would then be sovereign, which is the objective here. In this current environment, consumer elasticity of demand has been dulled dramatically by these massive bundles-- Chairman Specter. How about the antitrust exemption? Should that remain? Mr. Cooper. The antitrust exemption would be one way to diminish the market power of the league. Chairman Specter. Should we eliminate the antitrust exemption? Mr. Cooper. I believe CFA has supported the elimination of those antitrust exemptions across the major league sports. Chairman Specter. Mr. Baller, should we eliminate the- - revise the 1961 antitrust exemption for the NFL? Mr. Baller. For all major sports. We have had problems with Major League Baseball as well, and I think that it would be in the consumers' interest to eliminate the exemption across the board, if possible. Chairman Specter. Well, is baseball engaging in the same kinds of practices that the NFL is? Mr. Baller. I cannot say for sure. My experience is limited to a town named Bristol, Virginia, on the border of Tennessee, not-- Chairman Specter. Is hockey doing what the NFL is doing? Mr. Baller. I don't-- Chairman Specter. Is the NBA doing what the NFL is doing? Mr. Baller. I have no experience. Chairman Specter. Well, I would be reluctant to use too broad a swath here unless we see what they are doing, unless we see that they are anticonsumer. But what we are getting with the NFL, the raising of pay television through the add-ons and extracting--not allowing the sports channel to carry it where they could get a substantial amount of money. Mr. Cohen, should we legislatively change the antitrust exemption that the NFL has? Mr. Cohen. I noticed you changed the form of the question for me, which I appreciate, because I think the answer to that question is yes. I think the answer to the question you asked everyone else, which is should we eliminate the antitrust exemption for--it is in the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961 for the NFL. I think that answer is no, and I think it goes in part, again, to what Mr. Salinger said. I do think that there is a proconsumer justification for leagues negotiating certain television rights on behalf of all of the teams. I think, however, in granting that type of an exemption from antitrust scrutiny, it would be appropriate for Congress in the NFL's case, which, unlike all the other sports, negotiates 100 percent of the television rights in the league on behalf of all of the teams. In all the other sports, there are national rights, but there is a substantial chunk of rights that are retained by the individual teams to be able to market and negotiate over. So the NFL is a distinct case because, No. 1, it controls all of the rights of its teams, and, No. 2, because of the market power that I believe the NFL has in television rights, sports television rights, as compared to the rest of the teams. And I believe it would be appropriate for this Committee and this Congress to look at appropriate conditions to be put on a continuing exemption--on a continuing immunity from the antitrust laws as opposed to the blanket immunity that exists in the current legislation Chairman Specter. Well, Mr. Cohen, this Committee and this Senator has considered conditioning the antitrust exemption on a variety of factors. It is very difficult for the Congress to anticipate and understand all the potential ramifications as to when we start to deal with part of it and not all of it. If we take away the antitrust exemption for the NFL to deal jointly, then the market comes in. And there are very powerful reasons to allow the market to govern, which we do not anticipate. Nobody since Adam Smith has been as smart as the market. So if we take away the antitrust exemption, you have the market coming in. I introduced legislation in the 1980's to condition the antitrust exemption of the NFL on limitations of franchise moves. When they wanted to move the Philadelphia Eagles to Phoenix, I introduced that legislation. We had a very spirited debate at that table in about 1982 between Pete Rozelle, the Commissioner of Football, and Al Davis when they moved the Oakland Raiders to Los Angeles, and they had antitrust litigation that Mr. Davis won. And then the NFL has permitted franchise moves with the Colts, in the middle of the night Irsay going to Indianapolis, the Browns coming from Cleveland, disrupting fan loyalties in a major way. Of course, baseball is not immune either, taking the Dodgers from Brooklyn in 1958 because Walter O'Malley got a lot of prime real estate in Los Angeles, and the Giants joined. The fans be damned. And now it is the consumers be damned with what is happening. But as I look at what the NFL is doing today, with the NFL Channel, with the DirecTV, which you spoke about passionately and eloquently, in terms of limiting--a lot of people, including myself, would like to be able to have that ticket. But I have got to have a dual system. I have got to go to satellite. And what is coming next? When you look at ESPN taking over Monday Night Football, the NFL decides how much they can extract. And then the structure is reworked between ABC-TV and ESPN. I am going to introduce legislation in the next session to take away the antitrust exemption from the NFL, and I think that they are building a very, very strong case--the NFL is building a very, very strong case to have Congress take away the exemption that was granted in the 1961 legislation. If someone is wise enough to tell us how to condition it, we would certainly be interested in considering that. But the market is--you do not have to be very smart to be smarter than the Congress. But the market has demonstrated its wisdom, and that is where my inclination is. But as I take a look at what is happening here, I like the competition that is coming in with Verizon and the competition that is coming in, and satellite competition is good. But I am not sure we do not have to make some changes legislatively on integration, but before we do, we have to understand it. We are a good ways away from that. I know there are a lot of charts a lot more complicated than this one in the offing. I will give each of you a chance to make a closing statement. Mr. Baller, you have your hand up. You are first. Mr. Baller. Okay. Thank you very much. As I heard you say that you are considering introducing legislation, I had-- Chairman Specter. I am not considering it. I am going to do it. Mr. Baller. All right. I had a flashback to the hearing that I mentioned at the outset of my testimony that occurred in this room in February of 2004. At that hearing Senators Kohl and DeWine announced that they were going to introduce legislation to eliminate the terrestrial loophole. And after that hearing, Comcast announced that it was going to fix this problem everywhere. It was only then that some of our clients, including the Borough of Kutztown, Pennsylvania, were able to get Comcast programming--sports programs in that case. Now, Kutztown could not have brought an antitrust action. It has a population of only 5,000. That kind of litigation would have been impractical. And it seems to me that having rights of that kind cannot be left to coming to the Senate and having a Senator or two Senators say they are going to introduce legislation. If it is a good idea--and I believe it is--it ought to be put into a statute so that everyone understands it and everyone can live by it. And I think that it is solutions of that kind that we need and not solely reliance on antitrust remedies. That may work for Verizon, but it does not work for the small to medium-sized competitors who we want to succeed. Chairman Specter. Mr. Salinger, do you have a closing statement you would like to make? Mr. Salinger. Senator, no, I do not. Chairman Specter. Dr. Cooper? Mr. Cooper. I think you have heard a number of reasons why consumers continue to be very upset about their cable bills. There are sources of market power in this industry in both distribution, in carriage rights, and I honestly believe that the NFL would not be able to extract those rents if this structure were not set up the way it is. You have identified the antitrust exemption underlying the franchises and the leagues. We also have a terrible problem of market power in the distribution and the rules that were set up about the bargaining power that programmers and cable operators have, all of which is being used and has been used for a couple decades to the detriment of the consumer. And the competition we see is not sufficient to alleviate the problem. Chairman Specter. Mr. Goodman, a concluding statement? No, Mr. Goodman, I am the Chairman. Mr. Goodman, a concluding statement? Senator Kennedy made that mistake. Mr. Goodman. I think that Mr. Cohen has put the context of what is going on, on the table. Their specific goal is to get the current laws repealed. The goal of the group that I represent is to highlight the fact that the current vertical integration, as we submitted, is actually more powerful and has the ability to affect the market as much today as it did in 1992. The access that we have has only come through very constant confrontation, and as Jim Baller mentioned, we can give you a list of specific moments in time related to mergers and acquisitions or hearings here or other activities that resulted in our finally getting access to content. It has not come because of just willing give it to us. When we look forward and we look at the new structure and we look at the level of vertical integration, we believe that you just are going to have to maintain these rules of access to content with some expansion and clarification, or you are not going to have the competition you want. Chairman Specter. Mr. Cohen? Mr. Cohen. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Three quick points. Number one, the market is working. The video distribution market is vigorously competitive. I controlled myself until the very end, but I hold up today's Wall Street Journal with the headline, ``Cable rate increases are smallest in years,'' and making the case that consumers have more choice today than they have had at any time in the-- Chairman Specter. Is 3.2 percent that I saw in the Philadelphia headlines for Comcast the smallest in recent years? Mr. Cohen. It is the smallest in that market. But in many of our markets, the increases are even lower. And, in fairness, Mr. Chairman, you have to look at our entire package of services. For the fifth consecutive year, we are not raising the price on our high-speed data service. We are all around the country offering a triple-play bundle of telephone, high-speed data, and digital cable service for $99 a month. This market is vigorously competitive and working. Number two, the current program access regulations are based on a 1992 model of the world. That model has changed. Notwithstanding any general statements that can be made here today, the indisputable statistical evidence is that vertical integration in our space is dramatically reduced today--57 percent in 1992 to less than 20 percent in the world today. And, No. 3, trust the antitrust laws. There is no reason why this particular industry needs special regulation. Any abuses that could arise can be handled through the antitrust laws, and if they cannot be handled by individual plaintiffs, the FTC and the Department of Justice and this Committee and the House Judiciary Committee have plenty of capacity to be able to influence behavior in the market where it is necessary to do so. Chairman Specter. So let the market govern without the antitrust exemption. Mr. Cohen. There is no antitrust exemption that applies to us, so I think I gave my view on the antitrust exemption. Chairman Specter. Mr. Cohen, staff has just handed me a listing from Bernstein Research dated November 30, 2006, which has a listing of Comcast in about a dozen markets, showing an average of 5.4 percent. I would like you to take a look at that and see if that is accurate. Mr. Cohen. I have seen the Bernstein report, but I will note that that report references our basic cable rate increases. It does not reference what happens with our digital packages, with our premium services, with our set-top boxes, with our high-speed data, or with our Comcast Digital Voice product. The overall rate of increase that an average Comcast customer will pay this year will be approximately 3 percent. Chairman Specter. Gentlemen, thank you very much. It has been a very illuminating hearing. That concludes our hearing. 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